Wireway/Gutter Sizing (2024)

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hoffyone

Member
  • May 16, 2007
  • #1

Need help sizing a gutter/wireway for building service with the following:
1 - 1600 amp main disconnect with 4 parallel runs of 4# 600 MCM and 1 # 4/0 THHN CU conductors in 3.5" conduit. Conduits will leave top of disconnect and enter bottom of gutter. Gutter/wireway will then extend over four 200-amp unit meters and two 400-amp unit meters. Length is no problem to figure, but what width and depth is required? Engineer has the notoriuos "Sized per NEC" note for this gutter/wireway.
Thanks,

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lowryder88h

Senior Member
Location
Massachusetts
  • May 16, 2007
  • #2

Wireway

Wireway

See NEC 376.21 & 376.22

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hoffyone

Member
  • May 16, 2007
  • #3

Wireway

Wireway

Thanks, but should the width and height of the gutter be sized according to 314?

cadpoint

Senior Member
Location
Durham, NC
  • May 16, 2007
  • #5

Its two words

Its two words

the notoriuos "Sized per NEC" note for this gutter/wireway

Its two words and two different articles, gutters 366,
metal wireways 376, it for you to decide per the application.
Choose A or B and proof, AKA CYA...

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Joe Villani

Senior Member
Location
Westchester County NY
  • May 16, 2007
  • #6

Wireway/ Gutter Sizing

Wireway/ Gutter Sizing

This is what I came up with.

I am assuming 4- 3/0 THHN conductors to each 200 amp meter pan

I am assuming 4- 500 KCMIL THHN conductors to each 400 amp meter pan/ ct cabinet.

16 600 kcmil .8676 square inches = 13.88 sq in.
4 4/0 .3237 square inches = 1.29 sq in.
16 3/0 .2679 square inches = 4.29 sq in.
8 500 kcmil .7073 square inches = 5.66 sq in.

Total square inches equals 25.12 square inches.

25.12 divided by 20 percent fill = 125.6 square inches.

A 12 by 12 wireway/ gutter has 144 square inches

NOTE: I did not include a grounding conductor to the meter banks. If you do remember 250.122 (G) and base it on the overcurrent device ahead of the feeder but shall not be required to be larger than the tap conductors.

Also remember with a 12 inch wireway/ gutter you will have to bring the metering equipment out of the wall to comply with 110.26 (A) (3).

Hope this helps

Joe Villani

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hardworkingstiff

Senior Member
Location
Wilmington, NC
  • May 16, 2007
  • #7

Depends

Depends

If your service disconnect is on one end of the run, then I believe you can get by with a smaller square inch calculation. The 4 sets of 600 will encounter the 1st service, and you should only need to size the wireway for the 600's and one set for the service (since the rest of the services will be farther down the wireway and the 1st set of service conductors won't be there), etc. etc.

ryan_618

Senior Member
Location
Salt Lake City, Utah
  • May 16, 2007
  • #8

You will have to use the "One conductor per terminal" value in Table 312.6(A). This is referred to somewhere in 376. 376.22? 376.23?

chris kennedy

Senior Member
Location
Miami Fla.
Occupation
60 yr old tool twisting electrician
  • May 16, 2007
  • #9

Here's one I'm working on now. The gutter is installed. It is 12"X12"X72".I have 7 entries that are 4" with 4 500's and 1 3/0. Calc is 110 sq". Fine. Now try and cram the wire plus 4 polaris for 8 500's in there. Each entry in the polaris must take up about an inch. 4 8" polaris in 12x12 gutter. I'm going to look like the where's Waldo post when it comes time to terminate that one. I'll let you know about bending radius later.

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Dave_PE

Member
  • May 17, 2007
  • #10

hoffyone said:

Need help sizing a gutter/wireway for building service with the following:
1 - 1600 amp main disconnect with 4 parallel runs of 4# 600 MCM and 1 # 4/0 THHN CU conductors in 3.5" conduit. Conduits will leave top of disconnect and enter bottom of gutter. Gutter/wireway will then extend over four 200-amp unit meters and two 400-amp unit meters. Length is no problem to figure, but what width and depth is required? Engineer has the notoriuos "Sized per NEC" note for this gutter/wireway.
Thanks,

Why not use a 1600A metercenter?

e57

Senior Member
Location
San Francisco, CA
  • May 17, 2007
  • #11

Dave_PE said:

Why not use a 1600A metercenter?

Maybe due to depth? 1600a ends up being a cabinet main section, where as a 6-10" gutter over 6-10" equipment might be better suited to the space. Otherwise I agree, some bolt together buss equipment slapped on the wall sounds like much less time.

Wireway/Gutter Sizing (2024)

FAQs

How to properly size a wireway? ›

Take the total area of these conductors, divide by 20% or multiply by 5, and take the square root to find the appropriate size wireway. For example, what size of wireway is required for the following THNN conductors? See Table 5 to determine the area of each conductor. 600 kcmil THHN = 0.8676 sq in.

What is the maximum fill of a wireway? ›

Conductors cannot fill more than 20% of the interior cross-sectional area of a wireway per 376.22(A).

How to calculate trough size? ›

How to size a wire trough?
  1. List cable's size and types.
  2. List cross sectional areas of cables.
  3. List the number of each size of cables.
  4. Multiply cable cross sectional areas by the number of each cable.
  5. Find the sum of the cross sectional areas of each type to find the total cross sectional areas for the conductors.

How do you calculate wire sizing? ›

For machinery, it's advised to multiply the nameplate Full Load Amps by 1.25 for effective wire sizing. Phases - Select the phase count in the circuit. This is usually single-phase or three-phase. Single-phase circuits require three wires, while three-phase circuits demand four wires, including a ground wire.

How to size wire correctly? ›

A standard round gauge tool is the most common tool for measuring wire size. To measure a wire gauge, strip the wire and try to fit it into the numbered grooves that appear closest to it in size. The correct size should just fit the wire, but still allow it to pass through to the hole to be removed.

How many wires can you put in a gutter? ›

Now, when determining gutter or wireway fill, the sum of the cross-sectional areas of all contained conductors “and cables” at any cross section shall not exceed 20 percent of the interior cross-sectional area of the wireway. A similar change occurred in Article 366 for Auxiliary Gutters.

Can you splice in a wireway? ›

Adjoining wireway sections shall be securely fastened together to provide a rigid joint. Splices and taps shall be permitted within a wireway, provided they are accessible.

What is the difference between a wire trough and a wireway? ›

What is the difference between trough and wireway? A trough is a factory fabricated wireway, cut to length with two end caps installed. Wireway is just a straight "piece". The trough is more of a convenience item.

When to use Wireway? ›

Wireways are designed to protect cables from environmental contaminants such as dust, dirt, oil, and moisture. Wireways—sometimes known as "troughs" or "gutters" within the electrical contracting field—are commonly used to control wiring in environments where contaminants may cause problems.

Can you splice wires in a gutter? ›

The National Electrical Code (NEC) does permit the splicing of conductors in the gutter of panelboards (load centers), safety switches, and enclosed circuit breakers.

What is the standard size of a trough? ›

braces Standard water drinking trough, suitable for most livestock and horses 457mm (18”) wide and 405mm (16”) deep.

How to size an electrical raceway? ›

You can size a raceway with this three-step method: Step 1: Determine the cross-sectional area (in square inches) for each conductor from Chapter 9, Table 5 for insulated conductors and from Chapter 9, Table 8 for bare conductors. Step 2: Determine the total cross-sectional area for all conductors.

How do you calculate cable sizing design? ›

To calculate the Cable Sizing one needs to divide the voltage running through the cable by the target current. For instance, If your wire has a voltage current of 150 Volts and your target is 30 then you divide 150/30. This gives you your target resistance of 5 which is required.

How do you calculate the diameter of a wire bundle? ›

To determine the approximate diameter of a wire bundle when the wires are all the same size, find the factor for the number of wires in the bundle and multiply the wire diameter by that factor.

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